Somewhere in the jumble of the news and probably due in no small part to my abstaining from watching the tainted media of the major U.S. networks CBS, ABC and NBC — I have somehow missed until a few days ago a shocking story.
It would seem that a Muslim Call to Prayer has been allowed by a city council vote in the Michigan town of Hamtramck despite protests of many of the 23,000 residents.
(CBS/AP) Long known for pierogi and polka, the bustling city of Hamtramck, Mich., is now debating whether to add an amplified Arabic chant to the local sights and sounds.
In a sign of the deep changes in this once predominantly Polish town, the City Council is expected Tuesday to pass a noise ordinance amendment that would permit mosques to issue the traditional Islamic call to prayer over loudspeakers.
But some longtime residents are resisting what they consider an affront to non-Muslims.
Hamtramck, a city of 23,000 completely surrounded by Detroit, has an old-fashioned, small-town feel, with mom-and-pop stores and American flags adorning many of the tightly packed houses. Polish groceries and restaurants abound, and if you stop someone to ask for directions, there is a good chance that person speaks only Polish.
But in recent years, the city has become much more diverse. Stores selling saris and halal meat have opened, and signs in Bengali, Arabic and Bosnian compete with signs in Polish and English. Only 23 percent of the city’s residents specified Polish ancestry in the 2000 census. The town also has a sizable black population - 15 percent.
Well, God bless those who opposed this choice, because I’m going to say right here, right now, that let this be the LAST time this happens in the United States. If the 10 Commandments can not be put on a stone outside a school or courthouse, if the Christian Cross must be removed from the Seal of the City of Los Angeles despite the fact that a pagan Greek goddess remains — well, where is the justification for having a vocalized call to prayer in any language for Islam anywhere in these United States?
Islam in its current incarnation is the enemy of this nation, folks.
That’s right. And I’m not backing off that stance either. The information I continue to uncover in my personal reading and research in regards to Islamic history and its “prophet” Muhammad is nothing less than appalling. Are we to actually sit back after the events of 9-11 and after the decades of misery brought upon us and other Western nations by militants from the Middle East in terrorist attack after terrorist attack and now allow this culture to become such a segment of American society that we may one day become them?
NO DAMN WAY.
Question:- What is the Muslim Call to Prayer?
Answer:- Text of the call in Arabic with English translation:
Arabic: “Allaahu akbar, Allaah akbar, Allaahu akbar, Allaah akbar; ash-hadu an laa ilaah ill-Allaah, ash-hadu an laa ilaah ill-Allaah; ash-hadu anna Muhammadan rasool-Allaah, ash-hadu anna Muhammadan rasool-Allaah; hayya ala al-salaah, hayya ala’ al-salaah; hayya ala’ l-falaah, hayya ala’ l-falaah; Allaahu akbar, Allaahu akbar; Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah”
Translation:- “Allah is most Great, Allah is most Great, Allah is most Great, Allah is most Great. I bear witness that there is no god except Allah, I bear witness that there is no god except Allah. I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Come to prayer, come to prayer; come to success, come to success. Allah is most Great, Allah is most Great, there is no god except Allah).
Call me every name in the book, but there is no way in Hell that I am going to be silent about this. The very notion of having this Call to Prayer for Islamic worship taking place on American soil makes me nauseated. It’s one thing to have religious tolerance despite the fact that I know the harsh truths about Islam, but to know that there is at least one place in this nation where Islam is bending laws to its will and displacing the public interest for its own perpetuation is intolerable, especially when there are other portions of this country squelching the interests of the Christians and Jews that built this nation!
This must not stand. It can not stand. Hamtramck, you should hold city council again and renounce the Call to Prayer statute. Americans everywhere should email Hamtramck politicians and voice your displeasure reasonably but pointedly.
But most of all, I’m imploring the rest of the United States, do not allow this trend to continue. I can promise you that to validate Islam in this manner on American soil is beyond dangerous.
This will not be the last word on this subject here at Foehammer’s Anvil. Trust me.
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This country was build on the backs of slaves and if you read your history most of them where muslum from west Africa, in tell they forced them to become christian. I live in Michigan and Hamtramick is majority Muslum. Its ok for the church bells to ring, but its a problem for muslums to have a call to prayer. By the way the interpertaion is God is great, not Allah is great. Allah ,only means god in Arabic, if you open up any christian bible in Arabic you will clearly see this. If you also open up the torah or bible you will see that this same name, was uesd by almost every prohet. They called on ellah. And they prayed in the holy city of becca which is now called Mecca. Open your holy books and educate yourself. It is important not to spreed lies and hate. Do we want the same thing to happen to the muslums,that happen to the jews. Instead of placeing a American flag this site should have a Nazi Flag up. Maybe I should open up a site with the teachings Of David coresh or other crazy extreme christians and say they represent all of the christians in the world.
[quote post=”99″]Open your holy books and educate yourself. It is important not to spreed lies and hate. Do we want the same thing to happen to the muslums,that happen to the jews.[/quote]
Open up a newspaper. Find an incident where a Hindu, Christian or Jew killed someone today in the name of their religion and send me a website link to that newspaper’s site so I can find it myself.
I’ve read the Quran. A copy is on my shelves along with over 1,000 other books. I think if you’re going to come and start insulting me, you’d better at least take the time to read more of this site, understand who you’re attempting to preach to.
This site is not about moral equivalence between religions. I already know who’s doing the killing, who has done the killing and who plans to do the killing. It’s all in 1300 years of history books, of which I’ve barely had time to scratch the surface, but I do know enough that even my own ancestors were raped and pillaged by the Muslims for over 300 years in one section of this globe, so don’t expect to get some sympathy from me. And no, I’m not Jewish.
The Nazis were in league with the Arab Muslims in their mutual pursuit of genocide against the Jews. Why do you think so much HATE exists in Islam — go read the Quran. It’s all in there in stark black and white.
Thanks for posting your opinions, but you haven’t so much as put a blemish on me. Your facts are skewed and you’d be well-off loving your own culture more than that of enlightened barbarians that would enslave you as soon as look at you.
Oh, and one last thing: Islam was brought to Africa by Arabs who enslaved blacks then and still do. Perhaps some eunuchs escaped or were released to spread the words of Muhammad, but all the same, the true religions of Africa are animist, not of One God and frankly, far too many African-Americans are in the dark about the vileness of Islam and what it has cost their ancestors. It is just more testimony to how evil and widespread the cult of Islam’s lie is.
well i have to say you both make good points,but not strong ones kim your on the right track with letting them have freedom in a free country,foehammer you say things and then another how can you be aginst the public call for prayer(take away thair freedom to do so)and expect freedom to have the 10 commandments outside of a school.If you want to fight for religiuos freedom then do so but dont try to take away another persons freedom becouse they one a small battle if you spent more time protesting to get god back in school and government and less on bashing muslims you might win a little here or ther to.and to fully understand the Qur’an you have to get the explination book with it allah does mean god in arabic.and malcom-x was black and when he visited the middle east he then became muslim.he wasnt biiter about the slave days i thing eveyone was wrong in those days the trible leaders in africa for selling them and the people who bought them.oh and it doesnt matter how many books you have,becouse obviously you have gain nothing and are still alittle ill prepared.if you would like to talk further and learn some things becouse the news as well as books are not always correct as they are secondary informatin.i have firs hand knowledge of many national and political things.and if you ever decide to protest for you religion and right insted of trying to take others i will be happy to join you.my e-mail is tombow122@aol.com thank you for your time.
oh one more thing the catholic church back in the 18th century torterd people in the name of religion.one torture was a women did not belive so they hug her then gutted her so her intesdants fell on the ground and then they made her kids eat them.all im saying is all kinds of people have done sick thing and not always for religion.dont judge a religion or nation on what others have done.oh and 9/11 was done by radical muslims both the shi’ites and sunnis did not condon the radical muslims the Qur’an does not condon killing even in war women,children and elders are not to be harmed may you missed that one when reading the Qur’an oh and im not a muslim i just study culture people politics and religion.love you fellow man no matter how distant a neighbor.and do unto other as you would have them do on to you.
[quote post=”99″]foehammer you say things and then another how can you be aginst the public call for prayer(take away thair freedom to do so)and expect freedom to have the 10 commandments outside of a school.[/quote]
Did Muslims build Western Civilization, Tabitha, or attempt to tear it apart? I do not seek equivalence here, I seek Western dominance over barbarism. Islam is a cult, a false ideology, a lie.
Did I make myself clear enough in the fewest words possible?
And this site is not pro-religion — it is pro-West. Nowhere do you see me ever espouse one religion to be something I’m focused on. I am an intellectual first, spiritualist second. But that said, I certainly pay homage where it is due, and Judeo-Christian religious doctrine are what have allowed freedom to exist in this world, not any other. If you don’t believe that, ask Buddhists and Hindus why they suffered under (and still do in most parts of the world) so many tyrants, extreme class systems, Communism and the like.
As for Muslims, they have lived inside a fascist/royalist/theocratic state except by the point of a gun in places like Egypt and Turkey since Muhammad first took control of Arabia.
There is no separation of church (mosque) and state in Islam. It IS a political body. You have got to stop trying to create a garden for this weed to grow in by allowing them to overturn sound ordinances in Michigan while at the same time people force crosses off state and city emblems where they have existed since the founding of those places.
Equivalence is a disease. I think I’m going to add that to my site headlines now.
[quote comment=”1773″]oh one more thing the catholic church back in the 18th century torterd people in the name of religion.one torture was a women did not belive so they hug her then gutted her so her intesdants fell on the ground and then they made her kids eat them.all im saying is all kinds of people have done sick thing and not always for religion.dont judge a religion or nation on what others have done.oh and 9/11 was done by radical muslims both the shi’ites and sunnis did not condon the radical muslims the Qur’an does not condon killing even in war women,children and elders are not to be harmed may you missed that one when reading the Qur’an oh and im not a muslim i just study culture people politics and religion.love you fellow man no matter how distant a neighbor.and do unto other as you would have them do on to you.[/quote]
You could not have done by a cursory gleaning of information on this site at best for you to attempt to post this nonsense here. I’m sorry to say.
Please look around. You’re wasting my time and yours when you do not seek the truth.
[quote post=”99″]well, where is the justification for having a vocalized call to prayer in any language for Islam anywhere in these United States?[/quote]
First Amendment?
LOL.
Ok, I’ll let them build Call to Prayer towers if bands can practice in garages without incident, if dogs can bark all hours of the day without a policeman being called and if the ‘10 Commandments’ can be posted in schools, city halls, courtrooms and libraries.
Dhimmitude is rampant today I see. Or just plain stupidity.
[quote post=”99″]the 10 Commandments can be posted in schools, city halls, courtrooms and libraries[/quote]
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
[quote post=”99″]if bands can practice in garages without incident, if dogs can bark all hours of the day without a policeman being called[/quote]
These are religious practices?
Are there actual thought processes going on in your head worth me responding to? This will probably be the final time I indulge your density.
You have a ‘noise ordinance’ law in your village, town or city, I’m sure. But you’d see fit to have this thrown out. That’s what they had to do in Hamtramck to make way for the tower calls.
Do you see this kind of standard law being repealed for Christians, Buddhists or Hindus or Jews? I don’t have a church bell tolling in my ear anywhere around my neighborhood at all hours of the morning, afternoon and evening.
Hopefully you get that I’m allowed to go outside the boundaries of your box-like, one sentence response to one of my many sentenced articles in order to make a point, but considering that this goes over your head or you are perpetually trying to grate on the nerves of someone that plays this game far better than you ever will — a waste of our mutual time.
Especially on my own blog.
Deal in double-standards all you wish, but don’t do it here on the Anvil.
[quote post=”99″]You have a noise ordinance law in your village, town or city, Im sure. But youd see fit to have this thrown out. Thats what they had to do in Hamtramck to make way for the tower calls.
Do you see this kind of standard law being repealed for Christians, Buddhists or Hindus or Jews? I dont have a church bell tolling in my ear anywhere around my neighborhood at all hours of the morning, afternoon and evening.[/quote]
Have you read the story you linked to? “Muslims figured it was no different than Christians ringing church bells which incidentally ring just across the street from the mosque five times a day, reports Cowan.”
So anyway… you have some problem with the First Amendment? Or just double standards in how it should be applied?
(Your relevance:words ratio is poor and getting poorer, by the way).
And you’re Irish. Explains all I need to know. I dealt with an entire forum full of this pigheaded, holier-than-thou foolishness from my ‘kin’ for too long, long before you arrived here, where I was the hated American and put upon by ingrates, deluded pseudo-intellectuals and legendary stubbornness, and I warned you I wouldn’t indulge you further.
I learn. You don’t. And I keep my promises.
Don’t come here and try to defend Islam. I consider anyone that does that one of two things: a fool or an enemy.
I may very well be one, or both, or neither, young Foehammer, but I haven’t tried to defend Islam here or anywhere else. What I’m more interested in right now is your strangely ambiguous relationship with the First Amendment - are you fer it, or agin it?
You know, when you ask a question (such as “where is the justification for having a vocalized call to prayer in any language for Islam anywhere in these United States?”), and someone helpfully answers, the courteous thing to do would be to thank that person.
You’re a funny fellow.
Well done, foehammer. I’m glad that I found your site, and I enjoy visiting and respect what you are doing. I recently moved to Holland, and the same problem exists here in Europe, but to a larger extent. Rotterdam is now inhabited by Morroccan muslims to a very high percentage. It’s sad. The people I live with tell me how it is no longer the Rotterdam they grew up with. How long are we going to wait? Until these communities impose Islamic law as some have in England? This cannot happen. I believe there is something in the constitution that says that no other law shall supercede the law of the land. I think first that Islam should be thought of as not a religion but what it is - a cult. Should it be considered to sponser terrorism? Maybe it should - well, my opinion is that it should. Hopefully the West will wake up to the menace in time. Apathy runs rampant everywhere as does political correctness, so who knows? Being far away from my home country sort of magnifies all the faults with it. Well, keep up the good work, and thanks again for what you do.
Here is a relevant article for you regarding the actual topic of this thread:
Which Privileges for Islam? http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2468
by Daniel Pipes, New York Sun, March 15, 2005
Please note: The article is also available in Arabic if Tosser prefers.
And so we dont forget
“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qur’an should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.” –Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR (Council of American Islamic Relations), San Ramon Valley Herald, July 1998
[quote comment=”1876″]I may very well be one, or both, or neither, young Foehammer, but I haven’t tried to defend Islam here or anywhere else. What I’m more interested in right now is your strangely ambiguous relationship with the First Amendment - are you fer it, or agin it?
You know, when you ask a question (such as “where is the justification for having a vocalized call to prayer in any language for Islam anywhere in these United States?”), and someone helpfully answers, the courteous thing to do would be to thank that person.
You’re a funny fellow.[/quote]
You think I don’t know that you’re writing from Ireland for sure before I say it? You’re writing from Ireland. It’s just a shame that the flag isn’t configuring correctly for you.
It explains all I need to know about your combative attitude and your want to waste my time instead of spending your time here learning the dangers. You’ve already got a Muslim problem in Dublin. Don’t think that tiny Ireland is any more immune to the same problem plaguing the West.
And here’s your answer about First Amendment rights — they won’t apply once Islam is outlawed.
The Constitution is not a Suicide Pact.
The First Amendment will have to be revised, Islam specifically labeled as “a theocratic cult that does not separate church and state and bent on the usurping of U.S. governmental powers”, and therefore not a religion for which the First Amendment applies. The Constitution was not written so that our enemies could come here and use our freedoms and protections to destroy us.
“Young Foehammer.”
Thanks, I can always use a few years given back, even if it is just a dream.
Now, if you don’t learn something from this reply I will ban you. Your incessant and tiring need to come here and ask me questions to intentionally waste my time and feebly attempt to goad me, instead of using the years of work I have poured into proving my points and supplying people with pages of material and links to find the truth, has now gone far enough. You are a troll. You know it and I know it, and if we were standing in a pub, I’d have knocked you on your ass by now and that lesson would have been learned very, very well.
@Skid: Thanks and welcome to the Anvil. You’re in a part of the world that is practically a barometer for Islamic incursions and Western dhimmitude. I hope you survive it all and return to the States before Eurabia falls. In the meantime, you’ll find some Americans here to chat with when you need it.
@Geoff: Very good information, but don’t hold your breath waiting for that to enlighten tosser. “No man is as blind as those that refuse to see.”
[quote post=”99″]You think I dont know that youre writing from Ireland for sure before I say it? Youre writing from Ireland. Its just a shame that the flag isnt configuring correctly for you.
It explains all I need to know about your combative attitude and your want to waste my time instead of spending your time here learning the dangers. Youve already got a Muslim problem in Dublin. Dont think that tiny Ireland is any more immune to the same problem plaguing the West.[/quote]
Heavens, I haven’t doubted the fact that you know I’m writing from Ireland. Obviously you do, you’ve already pointed out to a couple of teenage girls on this site that you can pinpoint their IP addresses.
If your only objection to permitting the call to prayer is that you don’t like what’s in the constitution, could I suggest that you confine your outrage until such time as the constitution has been amended to your liking, rather than working yourself up into a tizzy about people simply exercising the freedoms we in the West hold so dear?
For that matter, if you already know the justification for having a vocalized call to prayer in the United States, why bother asking? It just makes you look a bit silly when someone comes along and points out the blindingly obvious, and all your ad hominem bluster about the Irish does nothing to enhance your credibility.
And if you already know that church bells are permitted in the same area, why imply that there’s a double standard being applied? We don’t deal in double standards here on the Anvil, you know.
You might find it less tiring to reply to my posts if you didn’t spend so much effort huffing and puffing about how intelligent and well-informed you and your blog are (I’ve read everything in it, by the way), where I’m posting from, and vaguely threatening to kick my ass (which, over the internet, is really, really weak). You’re an exceptionally discourteous host, and I’ve done nothing to warrant such opprobrium. Play the ball, not the man, Foehammer - you might even find yourself metamorphosing into a perfectly pleasant young gentleman.
btw, what’s this muslim problem we’ve got in Ireland? First I’ve heard of it, honest.
In my experience, which is in the bible belt of America (for 37 years), where churches are numbered at about one every 2 blocks, the one’s that have bells usually chime the hour. Which means, they are telling the time of day, not issuing a call to worship. The only day that the chimes are different are on sundays, and those are usually the Catholic churches after the service. The bells are usually a background noise during the day. I’ve heard the calls from the mosques as I’ve been to India 4 times in the past 2 years. I’ve been to the south as well as the north, and believe me, the call to prayer at the mosque is far more annoying than bells when you are trying to get to sleep. To give one preference to one religion over another is pure bull. To give preference to ANY religion in America is anti-thema. “As he Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of emnity against the laws, religion or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.” - George Washington
That from a founding father of our nation.
This annoys me beyond belief that extremists of any kind are decieving us and waging a Holy if not media war!
It’s getting to the point that if they want a Holy war then sign me up and let’s get it over with!
I’m not religious being C of E but I certainly will not tolerate Islam and all it’s beliefs! But i do believe in Democracy as nothing other than this has provided a safer, stable living.
And if the do-gooders argue against this then do something positive in your life and live outside Democracy. See how long you last. I hope it works out for you.
This further infuraites me when as an Englishman i find it hard to expatriate to a Democratic country like USA and Australia to work and live peacefully but if I was Irish or Muslim then the USA in particular would say ‘welcome’??? Then once granted a visa the individuals complain and crap on about how good their home country is and raise their siblings to oppress their new birthplace.
So if the new worldleaders want to continue their Democracy existance then sign me up but only if they have the will of Sir Winston Churchill or even a Margaret Thatcher because they’ll need the biggest pair of balls to cope with the oncoming Civil wars within our own Countries due to this disease.
Can we start calling extremists/terrorists literally ‘COWARDS’ from now on. i.e 10 COWARDS where infiltrated today before blowing 1000 civilans up underneath their COWARDLY masks.
Also can you give that Tosser and Irish flag and not British. Cheers.
Keep up the good work.
Hi, Kirk, and welcome.
Unfortunately, Tosser’s ISP must route through N. Ireland and tracks into a feed via Great Britain. The flags are automatically generated based on these factors by a complex database. However, I’ve thought about such things, as I think about too many things, and I just might find a method to override individual errors in flag-placement and embed unique database info on a case by case basis when required.
Some day…
@Skid: Excellent points all-around, and I’m glad someone posted those opinions on ‘bells vs call to prayer’ so persons like Tosser might badger me less about what is self-evident to the rest of us.