Comments on: Barack Obama: Apostate from Islam? http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html Anti-NWO, Anti-Islamofascism, Anti-Islam, Pro-West, Pro-USA: Helping spread politically incorrect truth before the demise of Western Civilization becomes a reality. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 07:47:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 by: cbrew http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12917 Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:39:13 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12917 I am always hearing about the moderate Muslims who never show hate or anger towards other religions blah blah blah. But the fact is if you as a Muslim reject such teachings then you are considered an infidel by many Muslims and are also having to re-read your own Holy Book. There is NO WAY AROUND THIS! Extremism in Islam IS Fundamentalism. To reform Islam (using the Luther form of going back to essential teachings) is to be a terrorist. Islam does not need reform as we understand it in the West concerning "going back to essentials". Islam needs to change in it's most basic and foundational teachings. A completely different problem. The terrorists are in essence the reformers boys and girls. I am always hearing about the moderate Muslims who never show hate or anger towards other religions blah blah blah. But the fact is if you as a Muslim reject such teachings then you are considered an infidel by many Muslims and are also having to re-read your own Holy Book. There is NO WAY AROUND THIS! Extremism in Islam IS Fundamentalism. To reform Islam (using the Luther form of going back to essential teachings) is to be a terrorist. Islam does not need reform as we understand it in the West concerning “going back to essentials”. Islam needs to change in it’s most basic and foundational teachings. A completely different problem. The terrorists are in essence the reformers boys and girls.

]]> by: Elric66 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12069 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:39:26 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12069 "do you acknowledge that these acts were commited by “Extremists” and thus do not represent the will of all Islamic society?" No, unless you concider Mohammed an "extremist" "Third, nothing is absolute. Read up on your history, no one group of people is free of expressions bearing injustice( be it Christians, Muslims, Jews, Romans, Iranians, Americans, Australians, Mongolians, Japanese, Bulgarians, ext.)." The 'ol well they did bad things to arguement so that excuses 1400 years of Islamic tyranny. "First, I have muslim family, and i have read the Qur’an. Not one of the muslim family members that I have met expresses hate or violent exercrations toward democracy, the US, or Christianity." well if thats true, then Islam must be a religion of peace. “do you acknowledge that these acts were commited by “Extremists” and thus do not represent the will of all Islamic society?”

No, unless you concider Mohammed an “extremist”

“Third, nothing is absolute. Read up on your history, no one group of people is free of expressions bearing injustice( be it Christians, Muslims, Jews, Romans, Iranians, Americans, Australians, Mongolians, Japanese, Bulgarians, ext.).”

The ‘ol well they did bad things to arguement so that excuses 1400 years of Islamic tyranny.

“First, I have muslim family, and i have read the Qur’an. Not one of the muslim family members that I have met expresses hate or violent exercrations toward democracy, the US, or Christianity.”

well if thats true, then Islam must be a religion of peace.

]]> by: tgusa http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12061 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 02:21:21 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12061 I can’t speak for the larger muslim community and I have no idea how many support this strain it could be 50 percent or more. I read the news from around the world, they really don’t try to hide what they want. No doubt there are non extremists but where have they been successful lately? The extremists have the knives, they use fear as a weapon, the schools are teaching have been teaching this radical ideology to generations of muslim youths. Many of their minds are severely warped. Did you know that when our soldiers came home from Germany after WWII they said that the nastiest suicidal extremist Nazis were… the Hitler youth. They were indoctrinated to hate in the same way. When was the last time you heard of non extremists confronting extremists? The abuse that is systemic in the muslim world, when a westerner is subjected to this type of abuse during childhood or as a young adult it has often produced serial killers we have seen this happen time and again. It is more than the ideology it is all that goes along with it that is considered a ok in their world that produces such monsters. I have seen the TV shows from the ME on wife beating/child beating, Jew hatred, American hatred, westerner hatred, hatred on top of hatred. I am not surprised by what this kind of institutionalized abuse produces. Why don’t we play, ask an apostate, http://www.islam-watch.org/ Remember that they are in hiding because Christians, no wait, muslims want them dead. I can’t speak for the larger muslim community and I have no idea how many support this strain it could be 50 percent or more. I read the news from around the world, they really don’t try to hide what they want. No doubt there are non extremists but where have they been successful lately? The extremists have the knives, they use fear as a weapon, the schools are teaching have been teaching this radical ideology to generations of muslim youths. Many of their minds are severely warped. Did you know that when our soldiers came home from Germany after WWII they said that the nastiest suicidal extremist Nazis were… the Hitler youth. They were indoctrinated to hate in the same way. When was the last time you heard of non extremists confronting extremists? The abuse that is systemic in the muslim world, when a westerner is subjected to this type of abuse during childhood or as a young adult it has often produced serial killers we have seen this happen time and again. It is more than the ideology it is all that goes along with it that is considered a ok in their world that produces such monsters. I have seen the TV shows from the ME on wife beating/child beating, Jew hatred, American hatred, westerner hatred, hatred on top of hatred. I am not surprised by what this kind of institutionalized abuse produces. Why don’t we play, ask an apostate,
http://www.islam-watch.org/
Remember that they are in hiding because Christians, no wait, muslims want them dead.

]]> by: The River http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12059 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:42:10 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12059 First, I have muslim family, and i have read the Qur'an. Not one of the muslim family members that I have met expresses hate or violent exercrations toward democracy, the US, or Christianity. Second, your "twenty to one" argument has no base of fact: please reconisder. I am not in denial that the "acts of terrorism" commited against our country are those of Islamic extremists. However please answer me this: do you acknowledge that these acts were commited by "Extremists" and thus do not represent the will of all Islamic society? Third, nothing is absolute. Read up on your history, no one group of people is free of expressions bearing injustice( be it Christians, Muslims, Jews, Romans, Iranians, Americans, Australians, Mongolians, Japanese, Bulgarians, ext.). If by "leftard" you mean liberal or democrat, then I am proud to say that I am not a "leftard". I don't commit myself to the bandwagon of any ideological label, be it driven by an indecisive donkey, or a supercillious elephant. As for the "rules regarding the births of boys": Clearly this argument falls of its own weight. Frankly, what a religious organization deems law is only as firm as the believer makes it. If your religion decided that all girrafes were symbols against all that you hold dear, would you grab a rifle and start purging the earth of girrafes? Of course not... at least I'd hope you wouldn't. First, I have muslim family, and i have read the Qur’an. Not one of the muslim family members that I have met expresses hate or violent exercrations toward democracy, the US, or Christianity.

Second, your “twenty to one” argument has no base of fact: please reconisder. I am not in denial that the “acts of terrorism” commited against our country are those of Islamic extremists. However please answer me this: do you acknowledge that these acts were commited by “Extremists” and thus do not represent the will of all Islamic society?

Third, nothing is absolute. Read up on your history, no one group of people is free of expressions bearing injustice( be it Christians, Muslims, Jews, Romans, Iranians, Americans, Australians, Mongolians, Japanese, Bulgarians, ext.).

If by “leftard” you mean liberal or democrat, then I am proud to say that I am not a “leftard”. I don’t commit myself to the bandwagon of any ideological label, be it driven by an indecisive donkey, or a supercillious elephant.

As for the “rules regarding the births of boys”: Clearly this argument falls of its own weight. Frankly, what a religious organization deems law is only as firm as the believer makes it. If your religion decided that all girrafes were symbols against all that you hold dear, would you grab a rifle and start purging the earth of girrafes? Of course not… at least I’d hope you wouldn’t.

]]> by: tgusa http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12035 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:11:57 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12035 The muslim religion preaches no more injustice than Christianity? Every time the muslims cause trouble Christians and Jews are brought in to the argument. Why? These leftards are just like the muslims in their behavior and thoughts only their god is gaia not alla. I’m sick of every time someone is murdered by leftards or islamists everyone else is hauled under the microscope. They are sick in the head and they are a hazard, a grave threat to all of us. If you see mass murder committed today twenty to one it is a leftard or an islamist. There’s no doubt about it whatsoever. In the future look up the muslims rules regarding the births of boys. We didn’t make the rules they did, but again, it is all someone else’s faults. You say you don’t want to act childish but you use the same argument makes the same excuse I have heard kindergarteners use, wtf? Don’t want to be treated like a child don’t act like one, m-kay? Every boy born to a muslim father is musilm or an apostate according to their rulebook, even if he didn’t go to school at a madarassa. The muslim religion preaches no more injustice than Christianity?
Every time the muslims cause trouble Christians and Jews are brought in to the argument. Why? These leftards are just like the muslims in their behavior and thoughts only their god is gaia not alla. I’m sick of every time someone is murdered by leftards or islamists everyone else is hauled under the microscope. They are sick in the head and they are a hazard, a grave threat to all of us. If you see mass murder committed today twenty to one it is a leftard or an islamist. There’s no doubt about it whatsoever. In the future look up the muslims rules regarding the births of boys. We didn’t make the rules they did, but again, it is all someone else’s faults. You say you don’t want to act childish but you use the same argument makes the same excuse I have heard kindergarteners use, wtf? Don’t want to be treated like a child don’t act like one, m-kay?
Every boy born to a muslim father is musilm or an apostate according to their rulebook, even if he didn’t go to school at a madarassa.

]]> by: Elric66 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12032 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:24:52 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12032 I suggest you actually learn about Islam. Try reading the Qur'an, the hadiths, the sunnas and the history of Islam. You might actually be surprised of what you didnt know. I suggest you actually learn about Islam. Try reading the Qur’an, the hadiths, the sunnas and the history of Islam. You might actually be surprised of what you didnt know.

]]> by: The River http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12027 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 04:15:05 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-12027 The simple notion that because Senator Barak Obama has affiliation to the muslim religion, he will threaten our national security, or not fully fulfil his duty in the executive office is arrogant, presumptuous, based upon ignorance, founded upon lack of understanding of the muslim religion, lack of knowledge on foreign affairs, and lack of dedication to the constitution of the United States of America. The muslim religion preaches no more injustice than that of christianity, or judaism. There are good muslims, and bad muslims; good jews, and bad jews; good christians and bad ones; good and bad Americans, good and bad Iranians, and so on. I am open to any counter argument that you feel neccessary to present, however, let us please not become childish in our dicussion. The simple notion that because Senator Barak Obama has affiliation to the muslim religion, he will threaten our national security, or not fully fulfil his duty in the executive office is arrogant, presumptuous, based upon ignorance, founded upon lack of understanding of the muslim religion, lack of knowledge on foreign affairs, and lack of dedication to the constitution of the United States of America.

The muslim religion preaches no more injustice than that of christianity, or judaism. There are good muslims, and bad muslims; good jews, and bad jews; good christians and bad ones; good and bad Americans, good and bad Iranians, and so on.

I am open to any counter argument that you feel neccessary to present, however, let us please not become childish in our dicussion.

]]> by: cee http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-3593 Sun, 25 Mar 2007 05:58:38 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/barack-obama-apostate-from-islam.html#comment-3593 You are absolutely right, Foehammer. You should never elect Obama. I'm writing to you from one of those Muslim countries. I want out. But I can't. They'll kill me. You can only get in, you can't get out! Hotel California is a song. This is no song. I live in fear. It's true that Islam is the most violent cult that ever was. It wants to take ove the whole world, believe me. Islam will not stop at anything. I know what the Quran says and what Muhammad said and what all the radical Muslims are saying. It regards every other religion illegitimate; Islam is the only religion. Get it into your thick heads. Don't allow Muslims to migrate into your country, I beseech you. You must fight. You must let everyone know the true nature of Islam - it's all lies told by a madman. And no Muslim can question its teachings (not even one question, not one doubt) because the moment one questions it one becomes an apostate and the only punishment for an apostate is death! It is the most barbaric, satanic cult that I know of. So many young people in my country want to kill you beacuse The Quran orders Muslims to kill the infidels - that's you. Don't be sympathetic to it - it has no sympathy for others. It is not a peaceful religion. It has only one agenda - domination. It is trying to dominate the whole world and make everyone else second class citizens (dhimmi) and take your women and children as war booty and make them slaves and wives. You are absolutely right, Foehammer. You should never elect Obama. I’m writing to you from one of those Muslim countries. I want out. But I can’t. They’ll kill me. You can only get in, you can’t get out! Hotel California is a song. This is no song. I live in fear.

It’s true that Islam is the most violent cult that ever was. It wants to take ove the whole world, believe me. Islam will not stop at anything. I know what the Quran says and what Muhammad said and what all the radical Muslims are saying. It regards every other religion illegitimate; Islam is the only religion. Get it into your thick heads. Don’t allow Muslims to migrate into your country, I beseech you. You must fight. You must let everyone know the true nature of Islam - it’s all lies told by a madman. And no Muslim can question its teachings (not even one question, not one doubt) because the moment one questions it one becomes an apostate and the only punishment for an apostate is death! It is the most barbaric, satanic cult that I know of.

So many young people in my country want to kill you beacuse The Quran orders Muslims to kill the infidels - that’s you. Don’t be sympathetic to it - it has no sympathy for others. It is not a peaceful religion. It has only one agenda - domination. It is trying to dominate the whole world and make everyone else second class citizens (dhimmi) and take your women and children as war booty and make them slaves and wives.

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