Comments on: YouTube banned in Turkey http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html Anti-NWO, Anti-Islamofascism, Anti-Islam, Pro-West, Pro-USA: Helping spread politically incorrect truth before the demise of Western Civilization becomes a reality. Sun, 14 Mar 2010 16:44:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1 by: Foehammer http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-5219 Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:48:13 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-5219 <a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016106.php" rel="nofollow">I'm not convinced.</a> I’m not convinced.

]]> by: Esra http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-1320 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:11:03 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-1320 I'm writing from Turkey. Youtube banned for carrying videos that insult the Secular Symbol of Turkey;Kemal Ataturk. Turkey has very strong secular traditions,and we young generation must defend our Secualrism. Though I am leftist and I can't consider myself a nationalist,but I prefer nationalism instead of islamism. Because islamism means Arabization.Islamism means loosing our identity,islamism means betraying our past.It's our task to carry out Ataturk's big vision,Democratic SECULAR Turkey. That's our vision. Turkey is Secular and will remain Secular.Islamist will never be able to destroy this country. Cheers. I’m writing from Turkey.

Youtube banned for carrying videos that insult the Secular Symbol of Turkey;Kemal Ataturk. Turkey has very strong secular traditions,and we young generation must defend our Secualrism. Though I am leftist and I can’t consider myself a nationalist,but I prefer nationalism instead of islamism. Because islamism means Arabization.Islamism means loosing our identity,islamism means betraying our past.It’s our task to carry out Ataturk’s big vision,Democratic SECULAR Turkey.

That’s our vision.

Turkey is Secular and will remain Secular.Islamist will never be able to destroy this country.

Cheers.

]]> by: Foehammer http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-1273 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:06:37 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-1273 [quote post="485"]Again….another example of Turkish nationalism standing in the way of liberal reform….NOT Islam.[/quote] If it weren't for Turkish nationalism, that nation would be another Iran. The Persians could use an injection of that spirit and tenacity. Either way, all fascism and word-policing can check itself at the door when it comes to my vision of a free world; Islamist, militarist or otherwise. But if we have to choose the lesser of two evils, I'll take nationalism-run-amok any day next to the reign of Sharia via Islam. I'm willing to bet most Turks would agree, but that sizable Islamist minority is growing and I hardly believe that there's only 1 AP report out there to substantiate that. If you want more, just go look at the Pope Rage articles again. [quote post=”485″]Again….another example of Turkish nationalism standing in the way of liberal reform….NOT Islam.[/quote]

If it weren’t for Turkish nationalism, that nation would be another Iran.

The Persians could use an injection of that spirit and tenacity.

Either way, all fascism and word-policing can check itself at the door when it comes to my vision of a free world; Islamist, militarist or otherwise.

But if we have to choose the lesser of two evils, I’ll take nationalism-run-amok any day next to the reign of Sharia via Islam. I’m willing to bet most Turks would agree, but that sizable Islamist minority is growing and I hardly believe that there’s only 1 AP report out there to substantiate that. If you want more, just go look at the Pope Rage articles again.

]]> by: John http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-1272 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:54:28 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-1272 Only ONE AP article that reports on ONE guy in Turkey saying there is an Islamist threat hardly makes that true. Especially when General Ilker Basbug only made that comment because the EU was pressuring Turkey to reform the miltiary and accusing the Turkish military of meddling in politics. General Ilker Basbug's comment was a political move to try to gain support for the Turkish military at a time when the EU and the Turkish government were considering military reform. I haven't seen General Ilker Basbug make those comments at any other time, and I haven't seen any other articles that take an Islamist threat in Turkey seriously. Again....another example of Turkish nationalism standing in the way of liberal reform....NOT Islam. Only ONE AP article that reports on ONE guy in Turkey saying there is an Islamist threat hardly makes that true. Especially when General Ilker Basbug only made that comment because the EU was pressuring Turkey to reform the miltiary and accusing the Turkish military of meddling in politics. General Ilker Basbug’s comment was a political move to try to gain support for the Turkish military at a time when the EU and the Turkish government were considering military reform. I haven’t seen General Ilker Basbug make those comments at any other time, and I haven’t seen any other articles that take an Islamist threat in Turkey seriously. Again….another example of Turkish nationalism standing in the way of liberal reform….NOT Islam.

]]> by: Foehammer http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-1268 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:21:48 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-1268 @John: Truly? Perhaps you'd like to explain reports like this then. My memory is pretty sharp on some things: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013315.php <blockquote> A top Turkish general said Monday that increasingly powerful Islamist forces threatened Turkey's secular system and that the army would play its role in defending the country against them, the state-run news agency reported. General Ilker Basbug's comments appeared aimed at both the Islamic-rooted government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and at EU officials who have repeatedly called on the Turkish military to limit its role in state affairs. The military views itself as the protector of Turkey's secular identity. Fiercely secular generals have directly led three coups since 1961 and ousted a government from power in 1997 for what they saw as an excessive Islamist bent.</blockquote> And, for the record, I did not confuse Turkish nationalism and Islamist activity. You are trying to put words in my mouth. I may not be omniscient, but my ignorance has its limits when it comes to the Middle East, and it's shrinking by the hour. @John:

Truly?

Perhaps you’d like to explain reports like this then. My memory is pretty sharp on some things:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/013315.php

A top Turkish general said Monday that increasingly powerful Islamist forces threatened Turkey’s secular system and that the army would play its role in defending the country against them, the state-run news agency reported.

General Ilker Basbug’s comments appeared aimed at both the Islamic-rooted government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, and at EU officials who have repeatedly called on the Turkish military to limit its role in state affairs.

The military views itself as the protector of Turkey’s secular identity. Fiercely secular generals have directly led three coups since 1961 and ousted a government from power in 1997 for what they saw as an excessive Islamist bent.

And, for the record, I did not confuse Turkish nationalism and Islamist activity. You are trying to put words in my mouth. I may not be omniscient, but my ignorance has its limits when it comes to the Middle East, and it’s shrinking by the hour.

]]> by: John http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-1267 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:09:30 +0000 http://foehammer.net/2007/03/youtube-banned-in-turkey.html#comment-1267 While I believe that the ban on YouTube in Turkey is unfortunate and a sign that freedom of speech is limited in the secular nation, I certainly wouldn't coorelate the limitation on free speech to religious extremism in the country. Turkey will certainly never have Sharia law as you have stated. In fact, the country is almost militant in its secularism, by banning headscarves in government buildings, schools, and universities. Religious political parties are also banned and freedom of religion is defined in their constitution. You shouldn't confuse liberalism with secularism. They are two very different things. Other countries in Europe have limitations on freedom of speech that some would find very extreme. Religious symbols are banned in schools and universities in France, making it just as illiberal as Turkey in that respect. My point is that Turkey did not ban YouTube because of a video that offended Islam, they banned YouTube because the video offended the Turkish nation. So its Turkish nationalism that should be the subject of your disapproval, not its religious bearings. By conflating the two, you only show the ignorance of your argument against Islam. While I believe that the ban on YouTube in Turkey is unfortunate and a sign that freedom of speech is limited in the secular nation, I certainly wouldn’t coorelate the limitation on free speech to religious extremism in the country. Turkey will certainly never have Sharia law as you have stated. In fact, the country is almost militant in its secularism, by banning headscarves in government buildings, schools, and universities. Religious political parties are also banned and freedom of religion is defined in their constitution. You shouldn’t confuse liberalism with secularism. They are two very different things. Other countries in Europe have limitations on freedom of speech that some would find very extreme. Religious symbols are banned in schools and universities in France, making it just as illiberal as Turkey in that respect. My point is that Turkey did not ban YouTube because of a video that offended Islam, they banned YouTube because the video offended the Turkish nation. So its Turkish nationalism that should be the subject of your disapproval, not its religious bearings. By conflating the two, you only show the ignorance of your argument against Islam.

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