Michelle Malkin has some updates on a story that I first brought attention to here on the Anvil on June 14th:
A San Diego public school has become part of a national debate over religion in schools ever since a substitute teacher publicly condemned an Arabic language program that gives Muslim students time for prayer during school hours.
Carver Elementary in Oak Park added Arabic to its curriculum in September when it suddenly absorbed more than 100 students from a defunct charter school that had served mostly Somali Muslims.After subbing at Carver, the teacher claimed that religious indoctrination was taking place and said that a school aide had led Muslim students in prayer.
An investigation by the San Diego Unified School District failed to substantiate the allegations. But critics continue to assail Carver for providing a 15-minute break in the classroom each afternoon to accommodate Muslim students who wish to pray. (Those who don’t pray can read or write during that non-instructional time.)
Some say the arrangement at Carver constitutes special treatment for a specific religion that is not extended to other faiths. Others believe it crosses the line into endorsement of religion.
There is no doubt at all that this special treatment crosses the line. The entire adherence of Muslims to their continual daily prayer rituals is intentionally invasive. Muhammad was a genius, a lying criminal, but a genius. He instituted traditions that constantly reaffirmed the lie and also demonstrate Islam to “unbelievers” whether they want to take part or not. Praying five times a day is one of the most potent rituals of indoctrination and intimidation. The Call to Prayer is another.
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If you misused the word “supposed”, is English your first language or Arabic? You still don’t seem to understand the context.
Islam is not an enemy of what I value?
I’m sorry, but this discourse is over. Apparently you are not reading any of this site.
That’s why I used the word supposed.
For every instance of God being used in US history, I can find you examples of god being avoided (”no law respecting an establishment of religion”, “by their Creator”, countless rulings by the supreme court stopping religion from being forced in schools, etc.) or worse I can find you stuff that we did years ago that we aren’t very proud today (how many slaves signed the declaration of independance?)
Worst, is American Idol and Paris Hilton part of that same culture as well?
Tons of events combined to form what the US is today. You chose to look at some specific one (say Judeo Christian values) but you choose to ignore some (I am hoping slavery). I am not a fan of that approach.
What we value constantly changes. I doubt what you value today is the same as what was valued in 1763 or in 1863.
Islam isn’t an enemy of what you value. For one, both you an Islam don’t like Paris Hilton
Religion not part of American culture?
“God Bless America.”
“In God We Trust.”
Ring a bell? Judeo-Christian ideologies are what provided the humanity that underlies the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I can hardly believe I’m even having to type these things, but there you have it.
Tell me: how many Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims signed the Declaration of Independence?
I will not regurgitate things that I have written about on this site for years just to please you. Either start reading the recommended books, the articles, watch the media or slink away to a site that will give you what you want to fantasize is reality.
And yes, in closing, my stance on Islam is absolutely set. As if I would compromise my principals and sully the memory of all the Americans that have died to give us what we take for granted every day by accepting the enemy of everything we value just because fools and anarchists would like me to fold. Not going to happen. I have taken the time to understand the problem. Whether you do the same is up to you, but in your series of replies you have admitted over and over “not understanding how” — and indeed, you obviously will never get the point until you actually start to look for it.
“Seek and ye shall find.”
And now that I understand you are a Muslim yourself or at the very least, an Islamist sympathizer, everything is that much clearer. You’ve owned the lie and refuse to shake it. Good luck.
“The United States is not here to be slain by the multicultural dream, it is here to be furthered by melting cultures together into the U.S. culture.”
Last I checked religion wasn’t supposed to be part of the US culture… Or is there a special treatment just for Islam?
“Muslims, by admittance of their own mouths, have no intent of assimilating to American, European or any other Western ways. ”
That’s a broad generalization. I don’t know where you got your stats from but clearly this doesn’t make sense to me
“The few that attempt to mislead us into dreaming otherwise are themselves not even true to Islam.”
I like this line of thought. The problem is that you will be trying to define what a true believer looks like and what a fake believer looks like. You can’t do that. People can call themselves muslims yet have different perspective on what it means to be muslim. Judging the true believer is impossible imho.
“If they were, then why do I not see posters of “moderate” Islamic leaders plastered on the walls of mosques, but instead see the virulent and poisonous pedophile Khomeini instead.”
I used to go regularly to a mosque in the Bay Area and I never saw any of that. We had what I would call moderate speakers that talked about a variety of topics. Actually, Sunnis are typically not for depicting people, particularily Khomeini who would be a Shiite. So at best the place you are talking about would be a Shiite mosque which clearly can’t form the majority of the Mosques in the US, since Shiites are a minority as compared to the Sunnis. They also typically have way less money, so I think the odds are you will find a Mosque maintained by Sunnis (of course, all are welcome)
” Islam is run by men that give us examples of what they intend for the world on a daily basis.”
Sounds like the MSM syndrome to me. Only reporting the bad news. There are tons of muslim people doing great things everyday and none of those ever get reported.
“because that will never stop me”
Do you mean that no matter what gets written in your comments section can have no impact on you? Are you saying your position is set in stone?
I’m sorry, I have to step in here for a minute and say something:
If people want to deal with “reality”, which they most often choose not to — perfect examples of this are Karaoke bars, Paris Hilton and American Idol — then they would realize after a brief study of Islam that it has no right to be in our schools in any form, and is only accepted by way of the perversion of the intent of our Constitutional protections. The United States is not here to be slain by the multicultural dream, it is here to be furthered by melting cultures together into the U.S. culture.
Muslims, by admittance of their own mouths, have no intent of assimilating to American, European or any other Western ways. The few that attempt to mislead us into dreaming otherwise are themselves not even true to Islam. If they were, then why do I not see posters of “moderate” Islamic leaders plastered on the walls of mosques, but instead see the virulent and poisonous pedophile Khomeini instead.
There’s an old saying that holds true: Judge not men by what they say, but by what they do. Islam is run by men that give us examples of what they intend for the world on a daily basis. If we as non-Muslims are so cowardly that we wish to hold out blind faith in a barbaric cult that means to usurp our rights and the powers of the U.S. Constitution at some future date, then we indeed do not deserve to remain free.
Because I am absolutely spiritually and intellectually positive that Islam is a complete fabrication of a twisted mind built with the tools of a plagiarist and some smattering of wasted genius, I will do everything in my power to oust it from our schools, our courtrooms, our neighborhoods and ultimately our shores. And if every Leftofascist in the world wants to come to the Anvil and call me a Nazi, get to it, because that will never stop me. I could fade into the anonymity of the Web in the blink of an eye and reappear in Congress in 10 years and none would be the wiser!
And don’t put it past me. Spineless idiots like the ones that accosted me here on the Anvil over the course of these past three days will not halt truth as long as I’m alive. Symbolism is a powerful weapon and I understand it well.
Freedom from the public school indoctrination
Like I said, some schools seem to have a 60 second “meditation” time and no one seems to mind (for that matter it was judge constitutional).
Anyways, I agree with you that personally I find this one hard to deal with, but my problem is with the “no doubt” approach. Schools have to deal with the situation they are confronted with. The hardline “we don’t deal with reality approach” is one best left for other regimes…
So for example, if half the class starts to fast next Ramadan, the teacher would be smart to alter her teaching style to account for that. Etc.
As for your last question, I am a US citizen studying in Canada, but I don’t think that should have any bearing on judging my opinion.
In any event, I suspect the opinion that will matter the most is the one from the district (even if it’s filled with illegal aliens
and the one from the judges.
“So just think about this as a 15 minute moment of freedom…”
-Anonymous Coward
Freedom from what?
“…I dislike the ‘no doubt this is over the line’ approach…”
-Anonymous Coward
Sigh… another victim of the liberal crack pipe. It is over the line. If there had been 15 minutes of class time set aside for Christian kids to pray, there would be outrage over it.
Tell me something Anonymous Coward- are you an American citizen visiting Canada? Or are you a Canadian citizen who is delusional enough to believe that your opinion about the US Constitution matters?