OK, so in the past few days I’ve posted some pretty mind-blowing information. Believe it or not, I’m holding back. Much of what I’m learning has me rethinking things that I held sacred, that I never would have believed and that I certainly do not want to believe, even now.
What do you think? Do you see information that is completely bogus? Can you prove it with sources? I want you to.
Show me that the FEMA internment camps do not exist. Show me incorrect information. (This will be the easy one because I already know that much of the information is so deep that errors are going to happen by nature. 800 camps? You do the math.)
Prove to me that the Mass Media and the Press are not corrupted by Corporate money and Washington, D.C. insiders; that journalists really do just give us the facts and the New York Times delivers truth and only the truth.
Tell me that the “War on Terror” isn’t a smokescreen for something more sinister; namely that it isn’t to lay the groundworks for a New World Order by quelling the Middle East; that it isn’t for oil-profiteering; that it isn’t meant to create a never-ending war that feeds the Military Industrial Complex; that it isn’t to create an “atmosphere of fear” so that more of our basic rights are given up willingly in order to “protect” us.
Prove to me that Congress is still in touch with the American people and work for us. Prove to me that the American people do not fear their government.
Tell me that there isn’t a new highway system being built that spans all the way from the Mexican-Texas border, all the way up to Canada, and yet we can’t build a wall to keep illegal aliens out of the United States.
I’ve given you a tall order this morning. The problem is, I’ve also given you a lot of impossibilities. You know most of what I just asked you to refute is fact, and facts can’t be dismissed with flippant disregard for reality.
This thread is now open.
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According to the people on another forum I use a lot of these supposed Prison Camps are being exaggerated. Here’s what one Seattle resident thinks about four of the supposed camps:
“Seatac: is a major commercial airport. The biggest one in the Northwest. Good security, lots of upgrades going on and no free wireless. Not exacly FEMA camp material.
Okanogan County: the entire county?!? For those not familiar with it, Okanogan county is indeed huge and bordering Canada. It is home to a mountain range, the giant Okanogan national forest and part of the Okanogan reservation. Beautiful area.
Sand Point Naval Station: (actually Sand Point Naval Air Station) is in Seattle. It is a tiny space surrounded by Magnusson Park, where I frequently play frisbee. It’s possible it was used during the 1999 riots in Seattle, since it is government property not far from downtown and there were numerous arrests. Those riots were huge and dangerous. Completely out of control. As for FEMA camp use, totally unrealistic. Too small. I’m nearly certain there’s no housing facilities there even, and an ariel view seems to confirm that. Fort Lawton in the Magnolia neighborhood would be far more realistic parinoia.
Fort Lewis: They say this would be used to ship prisioners overseas. Fort Lewis has 1 (one) dock. It looks like a fishing pier. Like with Sand Point above, there are other military facilities nearby that make more sense for this parinoia. The Bremerton ship yard, Keyport engineering station and Bangor Sub Base all jump to mind. ETA: Whoops! Fort Lewis has a second, much larger dock. It is in American Lake. No ocean access.”
It seems from those descriptions those four so-called camps are unlikely to fit the purposes that you believe they’re for. How many other of these 800 camps are similarly exaggerated?
You can view the thread I got the quote from here:
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100370
Army Regulation 210-35 is also used by some people as evidence of FEMA prison camps. However if you read it ( http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r210_35.pdf ) you can tell that it is a guideline for setting up labor camps for current inmates and criminals. Examples are camps set up for juvenile delinquents who are being supervised while they do community service. It seemingly doesn’t cover the imprisonment, and execution of thousands upon thousands of political dissidents.
Additionally the videos purporting to show FEMA prison camps are just misleading representations of private or civilian facilities. Here’s an example http://depletedcranium.com/?p=273
Yes, but what about the FEMA and U.S. military “civilian” internment/prison camps that the government has admitted do exist.
What of this document?
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/con__1.jpg
Fake? Misleading? I’d love someone to explain the content of this to my readers. It certainly rings authentic.
I have never implied or stated that these camps are intended for the execution of anyone, though I know plenty of alarmist bloggers have.
However, please excuse me if I don’t so easily brush away evidence such as what you presented (UNCLASSIFIED, dated 2005) and the document that coincides with it that I have linked and is dated 1997. There is no clear way to declare what these camps are meant for, but they are empty, are they not? Most of the documented ones appear to be. This would obviously imply that they are not meant for “juvenile delinquents” so much as they are being kept ready for new inmates of some type yet to be decided upon.
The most important word on that document is UNCLASSIFIED. What’s in the CLASSIFIED section that we do not see a copy of? I would not be so quick to assume that a Classified version doesn’t exist.
No doubt much of the information being pushed around Google is inaccurate, but there’s more than enough to arouse suspicions. All these millions being spent on these facilities could be better spent keeping illegals on the Mexican side of the border. Nobody could possibly argue against that declaration of my own and win.
What is needed is more documentation from within Congress itself that clearly describes what these camps are intended for. That, I’m sure, will not be so easy to come by.
I found this section particularly interesting (emphasis added):
In other words, participants in the Civilian Inmate Labor program could easily be people that just the day before had never in their lives seen the inside of a prison.
what concerns me is that everywhere i look i see the usa government accepting islam! this cannot bode well for the future; especially for those who speak out against it.
could these camps be used for those accussed of hate speech, etc. like lionheart is now facing in england? and if criticism of homosexuality is criminalized, it could be a way to round up christians and others who view it as a gross sin.
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The camps get a taken out into left field of course. Its a known fact that we in the US keep some areas set aside for extra prison housing. Things happen. Say the state of NY looses grid or falls under a wide spread emergency. You need to be able to move the criminal element to safer, secure areas. Every state is supposed to have an area set aside for that. I think what people are going to see alot more of is our government updating and expanding these areas to meet todays possible needs. Alot of that has to do with martial law mesures that the NWO deams needed. Something to worry about? I believe it should be 100% transparent to the voters so yes it is a worry of mine.
The media is easy. Its owned by the most rich elites on the planet. Those elites are invested in by other elites. Its used as a sword and they consider the media “property” that they “own” to serve there opinions. Its realy that simple. They dont have to print lies as much as they have to just not print what they dont want you to know. If you want to see what the media used to be capable of before it was monopolized by the elites read back into Lincons time in office. He commited hudge violations against the press using gov agencies to do it simply because even back then with no tech like we have today they informed the people that he was creating a massive war deviding our country when he simply could have bought and released the slaves after passing basic legislation. Instead 600K+ Americans died and he becomes a hero instead of the criminal he was. After this the elites knew they needed to control the media so they simply bought it all.
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Ok Slow down. If you build anything it has to have a strong base. If you will read the hyperlink below it will enlighten for the coming battle. Please read.
The Bilderberg Society is the most secretive of the three main organizations set up to bring about a One World Government, with the other two being the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and the Trilateral Commission.
“The Trilateral Commission doesn’t run the world, the Council on Foreign Relations does that!”
Winston Lord, Assistant Secretary of State, the U. S. State Department
Wall Street, Banks, and American Foreign Policy
by Murray N. Rothbard
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard66.html
New York Governor Destroyed Over Threat To Probe 9/11 Attacks On US
March 11, 2008
New York Governor ‘Destroyed’ Over Threat To Probe 9/11 Attacks On US
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers
Reports consuming the US propaganda media organs and political elite
today are centering upon the charges leveled against the Governor of New York, Eliot Spitzer[pictured top left], and who is said to have paid for the services of a high priced prostitute.
FSB reports circulating in the Kremlin today, however, point to a much more sinister effort behind the toppling of Governor Spitzer as he had just begun a new probe into Larry Silverstein, the owner of the World Trade Center brought down in the September 11, 2001 attacks upon the US, and the Bush Families Carlyle Group.
The focus of Governor Spitzer’s investigation, these reports state,
revolve around the growing crisis embroiling the Carlyle Group as it
nears total collapse and is facing insolvency due to Larry Silverstone’s withdrawal of over $14 billion from the embattled groups coffers, and which could see the loss to New York States already troubled massive pension fund of over $10 billion.
Governor Spitzer has long battled with the former comptroller for New York States Pension Fund, Alan G. Hevesi, who holds duel
Israeli-American citizenship, and prompted a US Federal Probe that
charged Comptroller Hevesi of using the over $100 billion of funds
entrusted to him for the personal benefit of his friends and family, and to which Mr. Hevesi pled guilty for and paid a $5,000 fine.
Prior to his taking office as New York States Governor, these reports continue, Mr. Spitzer, as a prosecutor, had long targeted the United States Banking System for their vast theft of money from the American people, and had won billions in judgments against Bear Stearns, Credit Suisse First Boston, Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan Chase, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, Salomon Smith Barney and UBS Warburg.
It is more than interesting to note, too, that these are the exact same International Banking Giants who are now reeling under the Global assault against them, with Bear Stearns becoming the latest victim, and as we can read as reported by Britain’s Independent News Service:
“Panic swept the credit markets on reports of an insolvency crunch at both the US investment bank Bear Stearns and the mortgage giant Fannie Mae, triggering a dramatic surge in default insurance and rumours of yet another emergency rate cut by the US Federal Reserve.”
As Governor Spitzer becomes yet another victim to vast power of the
West’s war, political and media elite assault against him, and by their introduction of sex charges against him, as they have done to so many of their adversaries in order to destroy their credibility, the truest warnings of these events to the American people will no doubt be lost, again.
And, with the most dangerous of these warnings coming from the World’s richest man, Warren Buffet, and as we can read as reported by the Market Watch News Service in their article titled “Buffett and Gross warn: $516 trillion bubble is a disaster waiting to happen”, and which says:
“In short, despite Buffett’s clear warnings, a massive new derivatives bubble is driving the domestic and global economies, a bubble that continues growing today parallel with the subprime-credit meltdown triggering a bear-recession.
Data on the five-fold growth of derivatives to $516 trillion in five
years comes from the most recent survey by the Bank of International
Settlements, the world’s clearinghouse for central banks in Basel,
Switzerland. The BIS is like the cashier’s window at a racetrack or
casino, where you’d place a bet or cash in chips, except on a massive scale: BIS is where the U.S. settles trade imbalances with Saudi Arabia for all that oil we guzzle and gives China IOUs for the tainted drugs and lead-based toys we buy.”
There used to be a time when warnings were prudent to be given to the American people so that they could, in some small measure, protect themselves, but, and sadly, those times are now gone as these people have nearly completed their descent into the abyss of total slavery to their masters with virtually no knowledge of the horrific future that lies before them.
© March 11, 2008 EU and US all rights reserved.
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1077.htm
– Sorcha Faal sorchafaal@fastmail.fm
Well, well. Now that is definitely an article with some very serious accusations. No wonder Governor Spitzer had the magnifying glass on him. The bankers couldn’t wait to tear him down.
So ya can’t get close to the CFR
Does that mean we have to assault them
with educating our people on the www?
I think it does. Here’s the keywords.
bliderberg cfr trilateral commission csis
aipac nafta nau ssp
bullshit
Here’s our enemy.
Wall Street, Banks, and American Foreign Policy
by Murray N. Rothbard
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard66.html
sorry its
bilderbergYea that’s what I’m talkin’ bout.